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i deplore the ground that is going to accomplish michael? it is all the question -- "i can deploy on the ground that is my goal? accomplish michael i think it is about this balance of having clear, realistic goals for the amount of resources you're willing to commit with. you brought up isr and border security. these are things that are extremely expensive to field. isr is great. the question is, what kind of isr do you want? isr you want is people on the ground you can trust with a cellphone were calling and telling you what is going on in the countryside. it is about as realistic planning. that is a great thing about africom. if it does the training exercises and it does the capacity building that they know how to do, they're going to provide -- they're going to help africans provide realistic solutions. heritage was the first foundation to make a credible argument for establishing africom. we want to facilitate solutions within those countries so united states does not get drawn in. if we let africom do its job, we can create sustainable solutions. i really believe that. >> can
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